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Eet GnomeSmasher · Jun 09, 2005, 05:35 AM // 05:35

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Originally Posted by Bobum

An RPG (which GW claims to be) has always been about building your character.

Hmmm RPG is "role playing game" right? You make a character and you play a role. Where does it say that you need to kill stuff over and over to be an RPG?

And GW IS about building your character. It has some of most strategic options for building a character, I don't see how "working" affects the character building at all.

And finally for the love of God, stop bringing up that tired old cliched argument of comparing this to a CounterStrike or Half Life. You're not making a point just mindlessly repeating what others have said.

ManadartheHealer · Jun 09, 2005, 05:36 AM // 05:36

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Originally Posted by Eet GnomeSmasher

You're not making a point just mindlessly repeating what others have said.

You win the pint of ale!

DarrenJasper · Jun 09, 2005, 05:37 AM // 05:37

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Originally Posted by Bobum

This is what I am saying you dolt - this patch just opened up a lot of peoples eyes as to what GW is REALLY trying to be...

It's amazing that you needed a patch to open your eyes to a truth that has been sitting there in front of you since the game's conception.

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Originally Posted by Bobum

geez - do you not understand what you read or are you just that full of teenage angst that you only want to flame? Good lord get a life.

I'll just let this one stand on its own.

Axehilt · Jun 09, 2005, 05:41 AM // 05:41

Well once again I'll say it, Grinding does not equal skill. Removing grinding isn't making the game any easier than it already was.

There are a multitude of newb-friendly MMORPGs which reward you heavily for Time Spent Playing. If that's the kind of "hand me victory" gameplay you want, you're playing the wrong game with Guild Wars. Personally I find standard MMORPGs entirely hollow because you're playing this gargantuan progress bar of doom and your skill really has very little impact on whether you're successful or not. If I wanted that type of gameplay, I would play Progress Quest (www.progressquest.com) which is a wonderful mockery of classic MMORPGs.

As for the Villany Quest? XP is easy as heck to get. If a quest doesn't reward me skills, I don't bother. I have a new Ranger running through PVE right now which is in the Lion's Arch area and I kinda doubt I'll do the quest - I'd much rather just rush to Ascend, and possibly do the quest after ascending to help with earning Skill Points. (well, technically I'm not "rushing" to Ascend compared to the hardcore guys who rush to ascend at level 3, but I am plowing right through all the missions and only nailing a few sidequests to net free skills.)

ManadartheHealer · Jun 09, 2005, 05:44 AM // 05:44

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Originally Posted by Axehilt

Progress Quest (www.progressquest.com)

Hehehe

Crackerjak · Jun 09, 2005, 05:44 AM // 05:44

Here's how I see this entire patch. I like a game that I can just sit down to on a rainy day and play for 2-3 hours to pass time, and Guild Wars WAS that game with a great blend of pvp, pve, and marketing. However, with this new patch I have lost the pve enjoyment, as you cannot farm, you cannot level higher, you can only get mad at losing hard missions with incompetent co-players. The market is ruined; runes had become the trading commodity similar to Stones of Jordans in Diablo 2, but with the rune trader there is no money to be earned skillfully through buying low and selling high, as the trader will fluxuate prices at random based off how many runes are bought. This just leaves pvp, which I must admit is amazing. However, I and many others cannot just sit down and pvp with unorganized teams for multiple hours without getting annoyed or bored. In essence, Guild Wars has become another Counterstrike for me, which also I can only play for around 1 hour. I only need one Counterstrike and 1 rollplaying game, and frankly I'll take Counterstrike and replace guildwars with something else.

astzzz · Jun 09, 2005, 05:45 AM // 05:45

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Originally Posted by Bobum

4000 exp for Villany quest?? That's a gimme...

No more "Capture" to the Capture Signet? Cmon...it shouldn't be called a capture signet anymore it should be called a "grab any skill off a dead corpse signet"

They are appeasing those who whine about actually having to PLAY the game to get good stuff or have a good character. If you want to play a game where you don't have to invest any time or effort into getting a good character - go play Unreal Tournament.

hey dickhead, 4000exp is very welcome when youre level 20 and need the exp for the skill points.

also, I wasted 20 minutes of my life to get Battle Rage off of the troll boss in Snake Dance. Its a relief now I can take skills like this (and ones you dont see, like the other stances) without wasting my time.

Eet GnomeSmasher · Jun 09, 2005, 05:49 AM // 05:49

Hey let's play a drinking game! We all take a shot whenever someone makes the lame comparision to Counterstrike or some other FPS!

Oops...I'm already wasted...

Mistress Eyahl · Jun 09, 2005, 05:51 AM // 05:51

Aint no sunshine when runes are gone...
It's not warm when they're there all day...
Aint no sunshine when they're gone,
But you lot still all troll on...

Any time, they go away...

sojen · Jun 09, 2005, 05:53 AM // 05:53

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Originally Posted by Bobum

Rune TRADERS? Well, whats the point of trying to find them now that you can just buy them?

Player A : WTB/WTS Ranger Major Rune of Marksmanship
Player A : WTB/WTS Ranger Major Rune of Marksmanship
Player A : WTB/WTS Ranger Major Rune of Marksmanship
After spamming in trade channel and almost every other channel.

Player A: Hi there.
Player B: Yo, I got a Ranger Major Rune of Marksmanship for sale. You want to buy it?
Player C: If you can just buy runes off of other players, or Rune traders, what's the point of finding them yourselves.
Player A: Shut up, Player C. Do I have to find every rune I want to use by myself?? What is wrong with trading with other players? Besides, this Rune Trader, is not like NPC merchants. There are no unlimited Runes you can buy all you want. PLayers sell to the Trader, then trader has stock. Other players buy from the rune trader, no more in stock.

How is this so much different from trading with other players minus the spams made by idiots in every channel just to sell something??
Dont forget, buying from Traders does not unlock the rune for PvP option characters. In other words, to unlock runes, you basically still have to find the items to identify it to unlock them. It just makes it easier to trade, for those who couldnt care **** about unlocking anything for PvP mode characters.

ManadartheHealer · Jun 09, 2005, 06:10 AM // 06:10

Without all the trade spam, we can finally use Lion's Arch for what it was created for; take a piss in it after getting hammered on "exotic dwarf beer"

The Pope · Jun 09, 2005, 06:11 AM // 06:11

Looks like a lot of people want victories on a silver platter after a long monotonous grind. Thanfully, this patch is shifting it towards having to earn your wins. You might have to take on your opponents WITHOUT AN UNFIAR ADVANTAGE!!1! OH NOES!!1! If everyone is maxed out, they can balance the PvP and PvE for maxed out characteres, which will make wins actually mean something. Winning because you have a full set of runes, items and skills when the mobs are balanced for someone with basic equipment proves nothing. Did doing the first level of Doom with a BFG9000 feel fulfilling to you?

CtrlAltDel · Jun 09, 2005, 06:16 AM // 06:16

villany is worth 4k
its easily the hardest and longest quest in the game...hard just cause of the length of it from its origin

BrokenSymmetry · Jun 09, 2005, 06:26 AM // 06:26

This patch really is a big step forward. I'm very happy about it.
About the complainers:

- Infusion runs: In the patch description it is clearly stated that whereas now all worn armor is infused in a single run, the infusion is slightly less effective, preserving the difficulty. So, if anything, this has made the missions more difficult, and only has made the grind less.
- Capture of skills: The challenge remains the same: to kill the boss monster (as it should be). No more artificially keeping alive of the boss, no more repeatedely zoning in and out, etc. This is a good thing.
- Rune traders: That's why in real life we have a stock exchange, so that you don't have to go through the time-consuming process of dealing with individual buyers and sellers. Again this is a good thing.
- Villainy quest: You receive this quest when you first arrive in Lion's Arch. If you try to do it at that time, it really is by far the most difficult and longest quest in the game, so the 4000XP is entirely justified.

All this patch has done is removing the tediousness of certain parts of the game, but in no way has this reduced the difficulty. Great work by ANet!

Sir Skullcrasher · Jun 09, 2005, 06:46 AM // 06:46

that is so damn true... i just don't get why people is getting sissy fits about this patch and that its adding new element like a rune trader and capture skills....

Madjik · Jun 09, 2005, 06:57 AM // 06:57

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Originally Posted by sir skulkcrasher

that is so damn true... i just don't get why people is getting sissy fits about this patch and that its adding new element like a rune trader and capture skills....

same reason people were upset over the ruling on player run gambeling, its a lost way to make tons of money, in some cases conning people into buying them for far more then they were worth.

Whats sad is when I put up a post in the sanatarium for an NPC gambler shortly after that ruling and gave people a chance to voice a way to work it out they ignored it.

If people were truely upset about this change they'd be over in the sanitarium right now posting possibilities for a fix instead of heatedly arguing the same points over and over in and endless power struggle.

ManadartheHealer · Jun 09, 2005, 06:59 AM // 06:59

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Originally Posted by Madjik

If people were truely upset about this change they'd be over in the sanitarium right now posting possibilities for a fix instead of heatedly arguing the same points over and over in and endless power struggle.

But they aren't truly upset; most (of them) just like to complain

Sir Skullcrasher · Jun 09, 2005, 07:01 AM // 07:01

quick question about the capture signet

do you have to buy that signet or is it given to you by someone? also whats the requirement for that item?

Madjik · Jun 09, 2005, 07:01 AM // 07:01

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Originally Posted by ManadartheHealer

But they aren't truly upset; most (of them) just like to complain

well it seems that way at least. I dont honestly think my post will change anything but it never hurts to try.

ManadartheHealer · Jun 09, 2005, 07:03 AM // 07:03

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Originally Posted by sir skulkcrasher

quick question about the capture signet

do you have to buy that signet or is it given to you by someone? also whats the requirement for that item?

I think you can buy them off any skills dude after the patch, because before I remember only being able to buy them at Quarrel Falls for some weird reason

Also, I think you can get them from a quest at Lion's Arch that I never did

It is a skill (not an item), and as far as I know there are zero requirements to possess it. You put it in your skill bar and capture a skill of some dead boss